{"id":14090,"date":"2020-01-29T20:13:37","date_gmt":"2020-01-29T18:13:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.leonardcohen.de\/?p=14090"},"modified":"2020-02-02T16:03:59","modified_gmt":"2020-02-02T14:03:59","slug":"kw-05-2020-what-leonard-cohen-said-on-nick_cave-nick_cave-butchered-my-song-avalanche","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/leonardcohen.de\/?p=14090","title":{"rendered":"KW-05-2020: &#8230;.what Leonard Cohen said on #Nick_Cave &#038; what Nick Cave said on Leonard Cohen &#8211; Some notes and remarks on #Avalanche, #Famous_Blue_Raincoat, grief and Leonard Cohen`s passing away. &#8211; Was Nick Cave \u00fcber Leonard Cohen und seine Songs sagt &#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.leonardcohen.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/cohenpedia-archives-CAVE-Nick-On-LC_by-ChristofGraf-2020.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/blog.leonardcohen.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/cohenpedia-archives-CAVE-Nick-On-LC_by-ChristofGraf-2020-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" class=\"aligncenter size-thumbnail wp-image-14096\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>There have probably been some who have butchered it, but I\u2019ve generally liked the job that people have done with it. I guess you could say Nick Cave butchered my song, \u2018Avalanche,\u2019 and if that\u2019s the case, let there be more butchers like that.<\/p>\n<p><em>Es hat wahrscheinlich einige gegeben, die es geschlachtet haben, aber mir hat die Arbeit, die die Leute damit gemacht haben, im Allgemeinen gefallen. Man k\u00f6nnte wohl sagen, Nick Cave hat mein Lied &#8222;Avalanche&#8220; abgeschlachtet, und wenn das der Fall ist, lassen Sie es mehr Metzger geben.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Source: From Rebirth Of A Ladies\u2019 Man by Steven Blush. Seconds No 22: June\/July 1993<\/em><\/p>\n<p>When my son died, Leonard Cohen emailed me: \u2018I\u2019m with you, brother.\u2019 It was one of the most meaningful messages I received at the time. He was compassionate. A lot of people don\u2019t know how to be around at those times; a lot of people don\u2019t know how to deal with grief. There\u2019s a big difference between being compassionate and empathetic. Empathy is when you feel what the other person is feeling, and in these moments you don\u2019t want to reverberate fear and sadness wherever you go. Someone compassionate will know how to just be around you, make you a cup of tea.<\/p>\n<p><em>Als mein Sohn starb, schickte Leonard Cohen mir eine E-Mail: &#8222;Ich bin bei dir, Bruder.&#8220; Es war eine der aussagekr\u00e4ftigsten Nachrichten, die ich zu dieser Zeit erhielt. Er war mitf\u00fchlend. Viele Leute wissen zu dieser Zeit nicht, wie sie in der N\u00e4he sein sollen. Viele Menschen wissen nicht, wie sie mit Trauer umgehen sollen. Es gibt einen gro\u00dfen Unterschied zwischen Mitgef\u00fchl und Einf\u00fchlungsverm\u00f6gen. Empathie ist, wenn Sie f\u00fchlen, was die andere Person f\u00fchlt, und in diesen Momenten m\u00f6chten Sie Angst und Trauer nicht wiedergeben, wohin Sie auch gehen. Jemand, der mitf\u00fchlend ist, wird wissen, wie man einfach mit dir umgeht und dir eine Tasse Tee macht.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Nick Cave Live in Baden Banden, 20.01.2020<\/p>\n<p>\u201cFor many of us Leonard Cohen was the greatest songwriter of them all,\u201d said Cave. \u201cUtterly unique and impossible to imitate no matter how hard we tried. He will be deeply missed by so many.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201eF\u00fcr viele von uns\u201c, schreibt Cave auf Facebook, \u201ewar Leonard Cohen der gr\u00f6\u00dfte Songwriter von allen. \u201eAbsolut einzigartig und unm\u00f6glich nachzuahmen, egal, wie sehr wir es auch versuchten. Er wird sehr vermisst werden, von so vielen.\u201c<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI remember listening to this song (FAMOUS BLUE RAINCOAT) when I must have been 11 or 12,\u201d he said. \u201cI lived in Wangaratta and I had a friend called Anne Baumgarten, she was quite a morbid kind of creature.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cShe used to play Leonard Cohen in her room with burning candles and all that sort of stuff. She&#8217;d listen to Songs of Love and Hate over and over again. I started to that myself and became kind of infatuated with the lyric at that point. I saw how powerful that could be.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis song to me just seemed like a true kind of confessional song. It just seemed to be so open and kind of honest in some way. Whether it is or not, I don&#8217;t really know.<\/p>\n<p><em>&#8222;Ich erinnere mich, dieses Lied geh\u00f6rt zu haben, als ich 11 oder 12 gewesen sein muss&#8220;, sagte er. \u201eIch lebte in Wangaratta und hatte eine Freundin namens Anne Baumgarten, sie war eine ziemlich krankhafte Kreatur.<\/p>\n<p>\u201eSie hat Leonard Cohen in ihrem Zimmer mit brennenden Kerzen und all dem Zeug gespielt. Sie h\u00f6rte sich immer und immer wieder Lieder der Liebe und des Hasses an. Ich selbst habe damit angefangen und war an diesem Punkt irgendwie von der Lyrik fasziniert. Ich habe gesehen, wie m\u00e4chtig das sein kann.<\/p>\n<p>\u201eDieses Lied schien mir nur eine wahre Art von Beichtlied zu sein. Es schien einfach so offen und irgendwie ehrlich zu sein. Ob es ist oder nicht, wei\u00df ich nicht wirklich.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt just had that effect on me and it really kinda changed the way I looked at things.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHe had a tendency to air his linen in public in a way. I thought that was all very impressive at the time. I still do, of course.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><em>\u201eEs hatte nur diesen Effekt auf mich und es hat die Art, wie ich die Dinge betrachtete, wirklich ver\u00e4ndert.<\/p>\n<p>\u201eEr neigte dazu, seine W\u00e4sche in der \u00d6ffentlichkeit auf eine Art und Weise zu l\u00fcften. Das fand ich damals alles sehr beeindruckend. Das mache ich nat\u00fcrlich immer noch. \u201c<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Source: https:\/\/www.abc.net.au\/doublej\/music-reads\/features\/nick-cave-reflects-on-his-favourite-leonard-cohen-song\/10268908<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI discovered Leonard Cohen with Songs Of Love And Hate. I listened to this record for hours in a friend\u2019s house. I was very young and I believe this was the first record that really had an effect on me. In the past, I only listened to my brother\u2019s records. I liked what he liked, followed him like a sheep. Leonard Cohen was the first one I discovered by myself. He is the symbol of my musical independence. I remember these other guys that came to my friend\u2019s house that thought Songs of Love and Hate was too depressing. I\u2019ve realized that this \u2018depression\u2019 theory was ridiculous.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe sadness of Cohen was inspirer, it gave me a lot of energy. I always remember all this when someone says that my records are morbid or depressing.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><em>\u201eIch habe Leonard Cohen mit Songs Of Love And Hate entdeckt. Ich habe mir diese Aufnahme stundenlang im Haus eines Freundes angeh\u00f6rt. Ich war sehr jung und ich glaube, dies war die erste Platte, die wirklich einen Einfluss auf mich hatte. In der Vergangenheit habe ich nur die Aufzeichnungen meines Bruders angeh\u00f6rt. Ich mochte, was er mochte, folgte ihm wie ein Schaf. Leonard Cohen war der erste, den ich selbst entdeckte. Er ist das Symbol meiner musikalischen Unabh\u00e4ngigkeit. Ich erinnere mich an die anderen Typen, die zu meinem Freund nach Hause kamen und die Songs of Love and Hate f\u00fcr zu deprimierend hielten. Ich habe festgestellt, dass diese &#8222;Depression&#8220; -Theorie l\u00e4cherlich war.<\/p>\n<p>\u201eDie Traurigkeit von Cohen hat mich inspiriert und mir viel Energie gegeben. Ich erinnere mich immer daran, wenn jemand sagt, dass meine Aufzeichnungen krankhaft oder bedr\u00fcckend sind. \u201c<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Source: https:\/\/faroutmagazine.co.uk\/reliving-nick-cave-covered-the-great-leonard-cohen\/<\/p>\n<p>For many of us Leonard Cohen was the greatest songwriter of them all.  Utterly unique and impossible to imitate&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Nick Cave on FACEBOOK on: 12:16 &#8211; 11 Nov 2016<br \/>\nNick Cave &#038; The Bad Seeds@nickcave<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;no matter how hard we tried. He will be deeply missed by so many. <\/p>\n<p>Source: https:\/\/www.uncut.co.uk\/news\/nick-cave-leonard-cohen-greatest-songwriter-98019\/<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.leonardcohen.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/NICK_CAVE_by_Christof_Graf_cohenpedia_2016-on-LC-FB.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/blog.leonardcohen.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/NICK_CAVE_by_Christof_Graf_cohenpedia_2016-on-LC-FB-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" class=\"aligncenter size-thumbnail wp-image-14101\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There have probably been some who have butchered it, but I\u2019ve generally liked the job that people have done with it. I guess you could say Nick Cave butchered my song, \u2018Avalanche,\u2019 and if that\u2019s the case, let there be more butchers like that. Es hat wahrscheinlich einige gegeben, die es geschlachtet haben, aber mir [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":14096,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-14090","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-allgemein"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/leonardcohen.de\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14090","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/leonardcohen.de\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/leonardcohen.de\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/leonardcohen.de\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/leonardcohen.de\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=14090"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/leonardcohen.de\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14090\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":14103,"href":"https:\/\/leonardcohen.de\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14090\/revisions\/14103"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/leonardcohen.de\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/14096"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/leonardcohen.de\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=14090"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/leonardcohen.de\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=14090"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/leonardcohen.de\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=14090"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}